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  • 1.  Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 06-27-2025 10:10
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    Good day,

    We are experiencing a new phenomenon since implementing Post Call Flow action in our inbound voice flow.  The intention is for the caller to be offered a short 3-questions survey after their interaction with our advocate. However, if the call is transferred to a third-party not inside of Genesys Cloud, we would expect the recording to end and the post call flow action to be forgotten.  But that is not what is happening.

    When we do the consult/transfer to the third-party and our advocate disconnects, the GC system appears to still see an activate GC participant in the call in the form of the post call flow action.  When the caller and the third-party end the call, the flow then attempts to ask the 3 survey questions as the caller is hanging up. The External-to-External recording option is deselected so that should not be recorded once our advocate disconnects.

    Because the caller could share PII data with the third-party that we should not have, the recording continuing creates a privacy risk that is unacceptable. 

    I'm wondering if anyone has thoughts on how I might resolve this or if I need to submit an IDEAS Lab record to have development disable the post call flow when our advocates transfers the call outside of GC?

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.

    Marty


    #ArchitectureandDesign
    #QualityManagement
    #Telephony

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    Marty Hand
    CTO
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  • 2.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 06-27-2025 10:58
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    Hello Marty, 

    This document might be something to look into. I dont know how your flows are set up but you can suppress recording for the entire flow. 

    Cheers, 



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    Cameron
    Online Community Manager/Moderator
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  • 3.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 06-27-2025 11:10
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    Thanks, Cameron.

    Unfortunately, if we disable recording for the entire flow, we don't have a recording with which to conduct a QA review.  The external-to-external is already turned off so I believe this is a miss by the development team that it is keeping the post call flow as an 'active GC participant' and therefore continuing to record the entire conversation which is not what we want.



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    Marty Hand
    CTO
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  • 4.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 07-23-2025 09:05
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    As I continue to research this, the cause is the new Set Post Flow action in Architect.  In our instance we want to offer a short 3-questions post interaction survey when the call ends. However, if we transfer the call to an external party this behavior should change and the Set Post Flow action should be cleared automatically.  We have set the External Trunk to not record on external to external transfer, but since the Set Post Flow action is set GC keeps the recording going and then attempts to offer the survey long after our agent has disconnected and the external conversation is complete.  This behavior should be the exception and not the standard.  I can't think of a reason an organization would want to keep recording (or conduct a post interaction survey) if the call was transferred to a 3rd party.



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    Marty Hand
    CTO
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  • 5.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 07-23-2025 12:29
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    Hello Marty, 

    From my understanding is the current behavior you are seeing is that the Post Flow action persists on the interaction until removed and even with the external trunk is set to not record the post-flow survey still records causing recordings of external transfers. Am I understanding this correctly?

    Have you tried to use the clear post-flow action before the external transfer or use the transfer to secure flow action which should auto clear the post flow action?

    You can modify your call flow to include a decision point before the transfers. If the transfer is external add a "Clear Post-Flow" action. 

    You can create the condition something like this:

    If (Transfer_Destination = External)

    -> Clear Post-Flow

    -> Proceed with External Transfer

    Else

    -> Maintain Post-Flow Survey

    -> Proceed with Transfer

    This should work to make sure that external transfers wont trigger unnecessary recordings. 

    Cheers, 



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    Cameron
    Online Community Manager/Moderator
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  • 6.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 07-23-2025 13:13
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    Thank you, Cameron.

    The issue is that the external transfer is not performed from within the flow.  The call is transferred to ACD and then answered by an advocate. During the course of the conversation it is determined that the caller needs to be connected with a provider in their local area and that is when the transfer happens.  I don't see a way to clear the set post flow in this situation.



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    Marty Hand
    CTO
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  • 7.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 07-23-2025 13:31
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    Hello Marty, 

    That is a tough one.  @George Ganahl any ideas on this one?

    It also might be worth getting the Professional Services team involved so they can take a look at your needs and environment and see what they can do. 

    Cheers, 



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    Cameron
    Online Community Manager/Moderator
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  • 8.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 07-23-2025 13:43
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    I've got a ticket open. In my opinion this is an error in implementation of the Set Post Flow action. The default behavior should be to clear it whenever a call is transferred externally.  If they can't fix it we will be going back to our manual push to the post interaction survey and removing the Set Post Flow from the flow.



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    Marty Hand
    CTO
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  • 9.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud
    Best Answer

    Posted 07-23-2025 14:53
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    I have my system set up as described. I call from my cell phone into a queue, get to an agent, the agent does a consult transfer to an external number, I talk back and forth on the external lines, then disconnect the side the call was transferred to. After the disconnect, the designated Post-call Flow played to the original caller.

    When I checked the call recording, it ended when the consult transfer completed. None of the conversation between the two external parties was recorded, nor was the original caller's time spent in the Post-call Flow IVR.

    Settings on the trunk:

    I guess the main questions are...how many trunks do you have and are you sure the outbound leg is going out over the trunk configured to not record the external-to-external portion of the call?



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    George Ganahl GCCX-AI, GCP, GCSME, ICCE, ICHD, etc.
    Technical Adoption Champion
    Genesys
    2024 Community Member of the Year
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  • 10.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 08-08-2025 17:44
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    @Marty Hand - I'd be curious to see what response you get on your ticket. I'm seeing the same issue where callers are still getting our Genesys survey after they finish with the 3rd party the agent transferred them to. On a positive note though, the conversation during the transfer is not recorded.

    @George Ganahl - Your settings are exactly how our settings are configured and our trunks do not record calls that are transferred.



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    Brian T. Jones | Ascension | Senior Specialist - Technology
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  • 11.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 08-11-2025 13:55
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    @Brian Jones are you doing a release-link transfer to that 3rd party?



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    George Ganahl GCCX-AI, GCP, GCSME, ICCE, ICHD, etc.
    Technical Adoption Champion
    Genesys
    2024 Community Member of the Year
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  • 12.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 10-01-2025 11:45
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    Interestingly ours always used to stop recording on the transfer but I have noticed that its not stopping recording bridged transfer calls now, I have logged a ticket with Genesys.  I suspect its an edge update causing it as there are some new headers on the trunk that I haven't noticed before 



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    Andy Jackson
    Senior Unified Communications Engineer
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  • 13.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 10-02-2025 03:53
    Edited by Vineet Kakroo 10-06-2025 06:50
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    Hi @Marty Hand,

    Not sure if this would help.

    We found out the following when we were transferring calls external to Genesys Cloud, we had two requirements

    1) Calls should not be recorded on Genesys anymore
    2) The call should not continue to show the time the external party connected

    With a lot of trials we achieved it with the following;

    1) Created separate trunks for Inbound and Outbound and setup the outbound trunk to be always used in the Site to send outbound calls through.

    2) For the Inbound Trunk, under "Media-->Optional Recording", we ensured that the "External bridged transfers" remained unchecked. Additionally under "Protocol-->Transfer" we ensured "Take Back and Transfer" is Disabled and "Release Link Transfer (RLT)" is Enabled.

    3) For the Outound Trunk, under "Media-->Optional Recording", we ensured that the "External bridged transfers" remained unchecked. Additionally under "Protocol-->Transfer" we ensured "Take Back and Transfer" is Enabled and "Release Link Transfer (RLT)" is Enabled.

    4) Additionally for RLT to work our externally managed SBC's that are used for both inbound and outbound also needed some additional configuration to ensure this feature works. Unfortunately I am not sure what they changed.

    5) With all the above, we now can transfer call externally either manually or via Architect "Transfer to Number" with RLT enabled, and ensure that once this is done, the call recording stops on Genesys and the call is released from Genesys too without it being shows as "ongoing".

    Hope some of this helps.

    Regards



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    Vineet Kakroo
    Senior Technical Consultant
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  • 14.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 10-02-2025 04:01
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    We found out the problem on ours.  Some agents were doing a conference rather than a consult or blind transfer, you can tell this if you look at the performance view, add column transfer, then look for direction inbound/outbound if transfer isn't 1 then they have done a conference



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    Andy Jackson
    Senior Unified Communications Engineer
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  • 15.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 10-02-2025 04:45
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    That appears to be some misconfiguration. 

    In our case, if you transfer the call to an external number, call isn't recorded, but Supervisors can still continue to Monitor the call (huge privacy issue).

    No acceptable answer from Genesys until now.



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    Jorge Baptista
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  • 16.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 10-06-2025 04:52
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    Hi @Jorge Baptista, we faced the same issue and resolved it as per my previous comment. Did you check that and see how your setup matches what I had mentioned above.

    Regards



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    Vineet Kakroo
    Senior Technical Consultant
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  • 17.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 10-06-2025 06:32
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    hi @Vineet Kakroo, we've already tested RLT but didnt worked for us. Maybe something related to your bullet nr 4.

    Can you confirm that your bullet nr 3 is for outbound? 



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    Jorge Baptista
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  • 18.  RE: Call recording is continuing when call is transferred out of Genesys Cloud

    Posted 10-06-2025 06:56
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    Hi @Jorge Baptista, yes apologies my typing mistake. yes its for Outbound and I have corrected it. When we had all the setup it did not work initially so we checked the SBC logs and we could see that "SIP-REFER" was fine but somehow it did not work. We then asked the SBC managed support to check and they found something that fixed it. I do remember that they mentioned something that the "From source" needed to be a valid number or in valid E.164 format, but that may have been related to something else.
    Get the SBC logs checked and you should see a REFER.
    Also ensure that the "Transfer-to-Number" has release-link-transfer enabled within Architect, if using architect, which we do.



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    Vineet Kakroo
    Senior Technical Consultant
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