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  • 1.  Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 12:47
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    Hello
    Please I need know if this alert show problems with the internet for connect with purecloud cloud?
    This alert have some relationship with the times that I can see when run cloudping.info, I ask, because the UI show the alert but when I enter to CloudPing.info, the times of my region are  less of 180 ms.
    Cloudping remove preview
    CloudPing.info
    This site allows you to perform an HTTP ping to measure the network latency from your browser to the various Amazon Web Services™ datacenters around the world.
    View this on Cloudping >
    thanks by attention
    #Omni-ChannelDesktop/UserInterface

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    Gladys Galabay
    High Telecommunications Sociedad de Telecomunicaciones Cia. Ltda.
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  • 2.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 13:21
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    Do you have a screenshot of the alert you are seeing?

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    George Ganahl CCXP, GCP
    Principal Technology Consultant
    Genesys
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  • 3.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 13:27
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    Hello George,
    alert on the agent


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    Gladys Galabay
    High Telecommunications Sociedad de Telecomunicaciones Cia. Ltda.
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  • 4.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 13:29
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    @George Ganahl we have at least 6 cases opened for this. It seems to be when using WebRTC for our customers. ​

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    Angelia Harper
    Avtex
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  • 5.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 13:37
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    Yeah...also from that Resource Center article:

    Persistent problems

    If the problems persist and you regularly see one of these messages, contact your administrator or your company's technical support staff. Let them know that the problems persist and may indicate a PureCloud issue. Your company's PureCloud Designated Contact works with PureCloud Customer Care to resolve the problem.



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    George Ganahl CCXP, GCP
    Principal Technology Consultant
    Genesys
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  • 6.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 13:36
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    Ok, thanks!

    https://help.mypurecloud.com/articles/network-connectivity-alerts/

    That warning indicates a general communication problem between that specific computer and the internet. It could be that the network adapter is having problems, or the Local Area Network (LAN) is having problems, or the ISP is having problems with your internet connection...many different sources are possible. Another computer may not have the same problem. It is not specifically related to the latency information provided from Cloudping.

    The Resource Center article says, specifically, "If you see this message, contact your administrator or your company's technical support staff. Let them know that PureCloud detects connectivity problems with your local network or Internet. Make sure to inform them that PureCloud displays the Poor Internet connection detected message."

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    George Ganahl CCXP, GCP
    Principal Technology Consultant
    Genesys
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  • 7.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 13:44
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    I just had it happen to me and was able to follow the link to that article. Thank you.

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    Angelia Harper
    Avtex
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  • 8.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 13:51
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    I also got a complain from my client about the Network alert that just started getting ..
    It doesn't sound like its limited to one office Bldg, even people in Same Org accessing PureCloud from Outside /Remote ( without VPN)  are also are getting the same error, seems like a global issue .

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    Ronak Shah
    Brant Telephone Inc
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  • 9.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 14:02
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    For those of you experiencing connectivity problems right now, what Region is your organization in?

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    George Ganahl CCXP, GCP
    Principal Technology Consultant
    Genesys
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  • 10.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 14:04
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    All of ours are US East - I believe

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    Angelia Harper
    Avtex
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  • 11.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 14:04
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    Mine is in North America (Canada)

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    Ronak Shah
    Brant Telephone Inc.
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  • 12.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 14:20
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    Mine, as well (US-East covers Canada), and I am not seeing any network issues...so, it does not sound like PureCloud is having widespread issues affecting everyone. 

    Open a case, I guess, and see if they can assess what is going on for you.



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    George Ganahl CCXP, GCP
    Principal Technology Consultant
    Genesys
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  • 13.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 14:23
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    Please see attachment, Checked Network Bandwidth and everything looks fine, Can access internet without any issue except PureCloud webpage


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    Ronak Shah
    Brant Telephone Inc.
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  • 14.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 14:27
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    Your issues appear to be specifically related to WebRTC, so Care should be involved on that one.

    Still localized, however...I am using WebRTC for my phone with no issues today.

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    George Ganahl CCXP, GCP
    Principal Technology Consultant
    Genesys
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  • 15.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 14:27
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    in our case always check the times of this regions
    US-East (Virginia)
    US East (Ohio)
    US-West (California)
    US-West (Oregon)
    And when in any of this have high times the agents experimenting problems

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    Gladys Galabay
    High Telecommunications Sociedad de Telecomunicaciones Cia. Ltda.
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  • 16.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 14:21
    Edited by George Ganahl 07-24-2019 14:22
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    In case anyone wants to replicate it, just disable the network adapter (or unplug the cable) on your computer. The warning triangle should show up pretty quickly in the title bar. Then reconnect the adapter and click the link before the warning goes away.

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    George Ganahl CCXP, GCP
    Principal Technology Consultant
    Genesys
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  • 17.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 15:09
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    I now have a Ticket open and Support states that "This has been identified and our team is still investigating the issue", 
    but i do not see any updates in this regards on Status Page



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    Ronak Shah
    Brant Telephone Inc.
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  • 18.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 15:21
    Edited by George Ganahl 07-24-2019 15:29
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    I heard something from a Technical Account Manager. Some customers are having the issue because they have the WebRTC ports blocked on their corporate firewall and maybe local firewall on the computer (because they are not using the WebRTC phone).

    Is that, perhaps, what you are experiencing?


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    George Ganahl CCXP, GCP
    Principal Technology Consultant
    Genesys
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  • 19.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 15:29
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    Not in our case, as we have been using WebRTC  for more then a year and have never experienced such issue.
    I can confirm that there is nothing wrong with Network, it could be something specific to Org or Region.
    I also have mix of users- some on Premise, some Remote, some Out of Country I,e 

    Dominican Republic, Florida and Burlington and everyone is having this issue.



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    Ronak Shah
    Brant Telephone Inc.
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  • 20.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 15:37
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    We are experiencing a similar issue: Unable to direct connect with WebRTC. Relaying may be effective but can affect connectivity and latency.

    Is this a situation where the condition has existed but because the network connectivity alerts themselves are new? 

    My customers are startled but i'm not seeing where they're actually experiencing a service disruption. 


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    Dean Thames
    Koch Business Solutions
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  • 21.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 15:47
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    Similar to Ronak we have been using our webrtc deployment for quite a while. 

    This is the error we're seeing: Unable to direct connect with WebRTC. Relaying may be effective but can affect connectivity and latency




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    Dean Thames
    Koch Business Solutions
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  • 22.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 15:57
    Edited by George Ganahl 07-24-2019 15:58
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    Ok, well...I was just reminded that the alerts are a new feature as of this morning:

    Network connectivity alerts in interactions

    Agents now receive notifications when PureCloud detects network connectivity issues in interactions. Agents can use this information to determine how they should proceed with an interaction. For more information, see Network connectivity alerts

    So, the warnings are merely exposing network connectivity issues that have been there all along.

    Since they are just warnings, not errors, they are there to let you know there might be an issue. If there is no actual connectivity problem manifesting, then it can be ignored (though not dismissed, as far as I can tell). The article does say to report persistent issues to Customer Care.

    There is nothing on status.mypurecloud.com because it is not an outage or anything on the PureCloud side at fault. The system is merely exposing existing networking issues.

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    George Ganahl CCXP, GCP
    Principal Technology Consultant
    Genesys
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  • 23.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 16:03
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    Makes sense. 

    So what to do? We've got a pretty skittish bunch over here and now they think something's wrong. They're calling in tickets to our support desk.

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    Dean Thames
    Koch Business Solutions
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  • 24.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-24-2019 20:04
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    Hi @George Ganahl

     

    We are located in the APAC (Australia) region and we do not use WebRTC. Similar to @Dean Thames we have nervous agents who may automatically assume something is wrong with their connection when in reality, there isn't.

     

    Is there a way to configure or remove the alert as we technically do not have a connection failure? There is a concern that if these alerts are continually ignored, when we actually do have a connection issue the alert may just be overlooked.

     

    Thank you

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    Tony Marcic
    Fair Work Ombudsman
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  • 25.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-25-2019 15:07
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    No, no way to configure or remove the alerts.

    There is quite a bit of discussion going on in the background here. Lots of tickets have been opened. Watch for further news, and in the meantime try to communicate out to the users that they should not open internal tickets unless they are actually experiencing problems.

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    George Ganahl CCXP, GCP
    Principal Technology Consultant
    Genesys
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  • 26.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-25-2019 03:37
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    Well, it has been a while since I had a moan, I thought things had been a bit quiet.... well here goes... TURN THESE NOTIFICATIONS OFF.

    This probably is the biggest act of self degradation I have seen in a while...

    1. The notifications are huge - take up 20%+ of the Purecloud GUI on what is a crowded desktop already. (in our environment)
    2. We as a business do not need Genesys to give staff excuses saying Purecloud isn't working when it is
    3. We do not want Staff downing tools and leaving their workstations because they believe Purecloud is broken - when it isn't
    4. The network Infrastructure manager is calling out Purecloud as the VILLAIN in this and confirms everything is working today as it was yesterday.
    5. George It can be ignored not when the Notification is this BIG!!!! :-) :-)
    6. Clearly this ALERT is far too sensitive, the agents are adaptive and carry on even if the script slows oh so slightly or the sound quality impairs mildly from time to time, I agree "knowledge is Power" but it depends who is wielding it. 

    Whoever thought this a good idea to put this alert in this place should not be left unsupervised..IMHO. I agree this is very useful information but stick it somewhere else. (not being rude here) put it in the EVENT VIEWER, make us admins aware YES... but the Call centre Agents NO NO NO NO

    I further agree with @Tony Marcic 

    "Is there a way to configure or remove the alert as we technically do not have a connection failure? There is a concern that if these alerts are continually ignored, when we actually do have a connection issue the alert may just be overlooked."

    I am sorry to hear my Reseller colleagues on the forum have complaining customers this must suck! 

    Submitting a support ticket fills me with dread - 
    Am I able to take action to cancel this with a retrograde of the Edge or GUI to previous versions???

     ​I remain an enthusiastic advocate of Purecloud - despite the occasional frustrations - Please fix this ASAP

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    Matt Calton
    Grove & Dean Ltd
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  • 27.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-25-2019 05:19
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    Hi!

    Amen to that @Matthew Calton

    Moreover - our Customer do not use WebRTC, so if WebRTC ports are blocked, it was meant to be.
    I'd like to an opportuninty to disable WebRTC connection checking.

    Regards,

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    Wojciech Dzikowski
    CGI ISMC Polska Sp. z o.o.
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  • 28.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-25-2019 08:11
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    Matt, I see the potential value in having such a thing... MS Teams and other collaboration tools we use will alert users to poor network performance. I do think this one is overreaching a bit per generating so many false positives.

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    Dean Thames
    Koch Business Solutions
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  • 29.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-25-2019 08:19
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    Yes Dean agree 100% so so true...

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    Matt Calton
    Grove & Dean Ltd
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  • 30.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-25-2019 08:40
    Edited by Braiden Woodward 07-25-2019 09:15
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    These need to be turned off, at least until it has been fine tuned more.  We have many users on multiple orgs in EU that are receiving this message and it is a support nightmare.  Users already knew if they had an issue as they would have experienced it. 

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    Braiden Woodward
    Foehn Ltd.
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  • 31.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-25-2019 09:33
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    George... dumb question here, but what is the network response time? Is that a straight icmp ping? Or does that number reflect some amount of processing by the application? 

    We're seeing wild swings in that number at one of our locations, and we're not sure to what extent the application processing factors into the time.

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    Dean Thames
    Koch Business Solutions
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  • 32.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-25-2019 15:08
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    Sorry, I don't have a solid answer, yet. Documentation is writing up a FAQ which will be posted in the Resource Center, but they haven't filled in the definition for Network Response Time yet.

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    George Ganahl CCXP, GCP
    Principal Technology Consultant
    Genesys
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  • 33.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-25-2019 11:36
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    Hi George -

    The message that is presented to users states "Issues have been recorded and are viewable by support."  Since every user on the planet stops reading at that point and interprets that to mean their local support staff knows exactly what is happening as soon as they contact us, where is that information available to us in PureCloud?

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    Patrick Rada
    Keypath Education LLC
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  • 34.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-25-2019 16:29
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    Being internal support you would, of course, read all the way to the bottom and see that "Your company's PureCloud Designated Contact works with PureCloud Customer Care to resolve the problem."

    So, no, you don't have direct access to the information but you have to go through Customer Care.  Which means that until things change (if they change) you will need to go through the pain of educating your users regarding what the warnings really mean.

    Sorry, I don't know how to sugarcoat it, Patrick...I know it is frustrating. There is a ton of background discussion going on here. I think Product Management is working toward a statement after they look at the big picture and see all the feedback on this thread and via Care.


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    George Ganahl CCXP, GCP
    Principal Technology Consultant
    Genesys
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  • 35.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-25-2019 17:56
    Edited by Patrick Rada 07-25-2019 18:09
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    True... but neither I, nor Genesys Customer Care, have time for additional nuisance tickets each day.  

    Unfortunately, what will occur is that as users learn that the "incessant" (if I can use that word in this context) alerts gain little or no support response, they will begin ignoring what could be a useful feature eventually defeating the intent of the product team.

    What could be useful is if the alert read something along the lines of "if you are experiencing x, y, or z... contact the help center..." where "contact the help center" opens https://apps.mypurecloud.com/directory/#/feedback (configured for the appropriate region) with the ticket submission form open.  In the generated message include some basic information about what errors were detected and along with metric information collected that triggered the warning.  Genesys customers then could consult with infrastructure teams internally before flooding customer care with data requests.

    My two bits [being written while Trey was posting his comments below].

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    Patrick Rada
    Keypath Education LLC
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  • 36.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-25-2019 18:06
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    See Trey's post at the bottom.

    One of the things we discussed is better wording on the pop to try and make it clear that they should only report a problem if they are actually experiencing difficulties. Many other pieces discussed. It will be different when it comes back, and they are looking intently at this thread for ideas on how to make it better.

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    George Ganahl CCXP, GCP
    Principal Technology Consultant
    Genesys
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  • 37.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-25-2019 12:11
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    Getting a flood of tickets on this today with no actual reported problems.  Consider this another vote to turn off this feature until it is more finely tuned.

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    Mike Steinke
    Packet Fusion, Inc.
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  • 38.  RE: Network connectivity alerts
    Best Answer

    Posted 07-25-2019 17:46
    Edited by Gladys Galabay 07-25-2019 17:52
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    Hi Everyone,

    Based on feedback from the PureCloud Community, we've decided to disable the network alerts feature for now. We will work to improve the alerting frequency and reduce false positives, as well as provide additional documentation on how the feature works for Administrators. We apologize for any inconvenience the first implementation of the feature has caused and we look forward to enhancing the functionality to provide the appropriate level of usefulness and value to our clients and users. We will also provide advanced notice in this thread on the Community site when we plan to re-enable the feature.

    Thank you!


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    Trey Buck
    PureCloud Product Management
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  • 39.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-26-2019 04:40
    Edited by Braiden Woodward 07-26-2019 04:40
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    Thanks Trey, very glad to hear this! Wasn't looking forward to another flood of tickets today reporting this issue.

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    Braiden Woodward
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  • 40.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-26-2019 05:10
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    Hi... When it comes back, and I look forward to it - add it to a role/permission and let us use our discretion as to the visibility. May be good to road test these ideas before blanket distribution... avoids any "Egg on face" rollbacks and unnecessary pressure on Colleagues here and Genesys support.... thanks for the email "X" hope your supervision ends soonest.. :-) Matt

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    Matt Calton
    Grove & Dean Ltd
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  • 41.  RE: Network connectivity alerts

    Posted 07-26-2019 08:11
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    Thanks for the quick action here Trey. We're very interested in having a capability here at the client layer, but I'd agree with Matt that there should be a role here that we can use to limit the data agents can see. 

    My network engineering team is deploying a saas monitoring tool (thousand eyes) and we are developing monitors for PureCloud. If you or someone on your team would like to see how it looks from our perspective (i.e., a very large, complex enterprise) I'd be happy to set something up.

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    Dean Thames
    Koch Business Solutions
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