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Capacity planning as an "add-on"

  • 1.  Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 01-25-2024 01:01

    I am not sure if you attended the latest roadmap from Genesys, but did anyone else hear the dreaded word "add-on" for the Capacity Planning side of WEM?  That hit me with dread of the days when you added RAM, $1500, Added Media Ports $2500, added Optimizer $480.  It just goes against all the messaging about GC3 as the "all-in-one" subscription.  I hope this is not the trends - Agent Assist Add-on, WEM Capacity Add-on, what-ever-else Add-on.   I understand that the development takes money and resources, but if we don't want to be like every other CCaaS vendor out there and start to nickel and dime customers with "add-ons', then I think Genesys cloud instead consider increasing the license costs and include the features. 

    What do you all say?   


    #Forecasting
    #Scheduling

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    Robert Wakefield-Carl
    ttec Digital
    Sr. Director - Innovation Architects
    Robert.WC@ttecdigital.com
    https://www.ttecDigital.com
    https://RobertWC.Blogspot.com
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  • 2.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 01-26-2024 07:55

    I heard "add-on" as well and wasn't too excited.  I also understand the development takes money, but what I don't understand is how this tool is just being developed now and how it won't be available until next year or later.  We have been waiting for this tool (and others) since we joined Genesys over 3 years ago.  



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    Jason Lorden
    Independent Health Association, Inc.
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  • 3.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 01-31-2024 16:42

    Hi Jason, i also wish that we had been able to build capacity planning faster but unfortunately there have been a number of WFM features that based on # customer votes have been higher priority over the past few years.  Things like shift bidding, meeting planning, time off automation, schedule flexibility etc., many of which are nearing delivery soon.  The good news is that we are now building capacity planning and are very excited to build a very good feature.  I know you have expressed interest in the past to participate in user research related to capacity planning and i want to assure you that we have your name on the UXR list still.  We expect to send out a email survey in the next week or so and it would be terrific if you would be willing to respond to the survey.  As we move forward over the next few months we'll be holding additional research sessions to review UX mockups and workflow to get your feedback.  We hope that you can participate and we look forward to including your feedback in the new capacity planning feature.  Thanks very much. 



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    Christopher Johnson
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 4.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 01-26-2024 10:43

    Good point, the add-on makes sense for some features but not for basic features that are part of WFM. Several customers were missing cpacity planning from day one and not sure about Genesys commercial strategy here but it is a key core feature and shouldn't be an add on. I understand that heavyly or frequently used features that use generative AI for example may incurr higher cost and qualify as add-ons but not features that are tyically for an admin or planner who was told he's got WFM included. On the other side I don't see the point in including features just to tick boxes in the RFPs because developement is expensive and can only include minimum features if bundeled in the GC3 license cost. Not sure customers have any say in Genesys pricing strategy though. The bottom line is that such add-ons makes it a lot harder to compare solutions.



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    Hichem Agrebi
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  • 5.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 01-29-2024 18:55

    There are seemingly many features that Cloud should have but simply doesn't. I started a thread about this around last summer looking to do a couple things:

    1. Come up with a list of those features that we widely see as a community are missing so that Genesys can also be made aware of our collective struggles;
    2. Discuss and share any work-arounds that we have made so others can benefit from them if possible;
    3. Highlight any Idea Portal entries that exist so we can vote on them and again voice to Genesys which features we need.

    I have thought about doing another post of that nature recently, so if you and the wider community are onboard, I can do just that in the morning.



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    Gene Gutierrez | Workforce Coordinator
    Presbyterian Customer Service Center
    Albuquerque, NM
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  • 6.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 01-31-2024 16:49

    Hi Gene, i want to assure you that we do review customer ideas very frequently and do our best to incorporate the feedback and priorities from customer ideas into our roadmap.  We're doing our best to continue to build out features in Genesys Cloud (and specifically WEM features like capacity planning) as rapidly as possible, but do realize that some larger features do take significant time to build and there is still substantial backlog.  Please do continue to review existing ideas and add your vote to the most important ones, and also submit new ideas that others have not thought of yet.  While it may take some time for these ideas to make their way into the roadmap, they definitely help to influence the roadmap and allow us to build better product features.  Thank you.



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    Christopher Johnson
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 7.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 01-31-2024 16:36

    Hi Robert, thanks for the feedback.  I think that in general the Genesys Cloud pricing strategy is to offer valuable bundles of features in "all in one" type subscriptions as our core offers, but in some cases offer add-ons like we have done with the WEM add-on for CX1 and CX2 in case the customer does not want all of CX3, but does want WEM.  So, in general the all in one pricing by tier is our approach, but with some exceptions.  There may also be higher tiers than CX3 in the future which could potentially include more features for a higher license price without requiring add-ons.    For now, when thinking about WEM, we intend to continue to build out the WEM offer within CX3 by adding new features and improving existing features.  These improvements will make forecasting and scheduling better and will include improvements related to staffing.  For Capacity Planning we feel that the feature set will be notably more robust than the CX3 features for WFM and warrant's a separate tier or price list which is why we are initially planning to offer as an add-on.  Thanks again for the feedback and we will continue to listen to feedback and evaluate options as we move closer to a release date in 2025.  



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    Christopher Johnson
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 8.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 01-31-2024 19:48

    Agreed Robert, I was pretty disappointed that agent assist and then in turn summarisation was a $ add-on given some component services for some of this probably already existed.



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    Vaun McCarthy
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  • 9.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 02-01-2024 06:40

    Our plan around Capacity Planning is to build a very feature rich set capabilities, similar to what was possible with the Decisions product.  This includes:

    • Capacity Planning Scenarios
    • New Hire Classes
    • New Hire Training Lengths and Productivity Factors
    • Shrinkage Factors
    • Attrition Allocation
    • Variable FTE
    • Also, eventually:
      • Transfers
      • In / Out Loans
      • Shrinkage Forecasting

    Many organizations don't need this level of complexity, so this will be an optional Add On for those that require it.

    For those that just need basic information on Staffing Requirements, that will be possible to get from the Schedule View and eventually will be available as an Export as part of the Continuous Forecasting capability coming out later this year.  There we will provide Staffing Requirements out to 58 weeks.

    I hope that better explains why this is an add on and not just a feature improvement on top of WFM in GC3/WEM Add On.



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    Rakesh Tailor
    Vice President, Product Management
    Recording, Quality, Survey, Speech and Text Analytics
    Genesys Cloud
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  • 10.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 02-06-2024 01:03

    I think there needs to be some negotiation here.  We are sorely missing long-term forecasting and headcount (a subset of capacity planning).  Most users just want to forecast 2-3 years out and have an estimate of headcount requirements.  I agree that that full suite of capacity planning is rich and probably worth the "add-on" price, but we need to give +WEM and GC3 users something that is useful.  If we could just add a headcount estimate, we could make customers see value in adding on the rest of capacity planning.  



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    Robert Wakefield-Carl
    ttec Digital
    Sr. Director - Innovation Architects
    Robert.WC@ttecdigital.com
    https://www.ttecDigital.com
    https://RobertWC.Blogspot.com
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  • 11.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 02-06-2024 06:02

    Long Term forecasting will still be part of GC3 as part of the Continuous Forecasting feature which is planned for later this year.  With Continuous Forecasting, users will be able to get a forecast out to 2 years or more.  Currently we are looking at the forecasting including 15 minute granularity data for the first 58 weeks, then daily granularity out to 104 weeks and then weekly granularity beyond that.

    As part of a that forecast export, users will also be able to get the estimated headcount out to 58 weeks at that 15 minute granularity to help with planning.

    It would be great to get your feedback on what is proposed above.  Does that granularity and timeframe serve most use cases?

    Thanks,



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    Rakesh Tailor
    Vice President, Product Management
    Workforce Engagement Management (WEM)
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  • 12.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 02-06-2024 09:51

    I don't think the 15-minute granularity is an issue, but they have asked for more macro reporting.  I would say we really need Hourly, Daily, Monthly, Quarterly in addition to the micro.  

    I don't really like having headcount only in the export - most people find the CSV export pretty ugly and hard to manage.  They would prefer something in the UI.  



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    Robert Wakefield-Carl
    ttec Digital
    Sr. Director - Innovation Architects
    Robert.WC@ttecdigital.com
    https://www.ttecDigital.com
    https://RobertWC.Blogspot.com
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  • 13.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 02-06-2024 10:06

    Robert, if the forecasting feature in CX3 (not the add on for cap planning) included weekly staffing requirements in the UI, along with the ability to enter a "available" FTE # so you could do an over under comparison weekly, and also a shrinkage input to gross up for shrinkage, would that meet your expectations for a WFM offer in CX3 below full blown cap planning?  And cap planning would go farther with specific hiring classes, budgeting, more advanced shrinkage etc... what are your thoughts?



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    Christopher Johnson
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 14.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 02-06-2024 14:31

    Yes, just the headcount/staffing required at a macro level (daily/weekly) should be sufficient in the UI.  For micro scheduling, that is something for scheduling or capacity planning.  This combined with the 'cone of confidence" would at least give them an idea that they need x or xx agents in a year's time.  



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    Robert Wakefield-Carl
    ttec Digital
    Sr. Director - Innovation Architects
    Robert.WC@ttecdigital.com
    https://www.ttecDigital.com
    https://RobertWC.Blogspot.com
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  • 15.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 02-06-2024 17:19

    Thanks Robert.  The cone of confidence piece is definitely cool.  We'll take your valuable feedback back to the team and iterate a bit further.  Thanks again for the input.



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    Christopher Johnson
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 16.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 02-07-2024 13:22
    Edited by Bayu Wicaksono 02-07-2024 13:41

    Thank you for your input, Robert, I have a question regarding the expectation on what you would see as daily or weekly requirements -- is it:

    1. Aggregate (sum/average etc.) of raw requirements at the 15-minute interval to the daily and weekly level? or
    2. A weekly (or daily) requirement number that hits the performance goal, e.g., 80% service level, to the week (or day)?

    The side effect of the first option would be a day/weekly requirement that hits 80% SL at every 15-minute interval (assuming 80% is the goal). When aggregated to the day/week from this raw number, we assume that there is no scheduling or other staffing inefficiencies, so it may produce a higher (or lower) requirements than operationally possible/feasible.

    The side effect of the second option would be that the goal is hit at the day/week level, but not every interval would hit the goal, i.e., some would be higher than 80%, some would be lower. However, at the day/week level, it would aggregated to 80%. This requirement number would incorporate steady-state staffing/scheduling inefficiency derived from historical data, so it would more reflect what is operationally possible/feasible. 

    Curious to know your thoughts, cheers!


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    Bayu Wicaksono
    Senior Director, Operations Research & Development
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 17.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 02-07-2024 20:05

    Couldn't we have Occam's razor here?  Take the simplest approach.  Look at simultaneous calls for a given time period (day hourly) given the talk time.  That should come out of the forecast simply enough.  That should give you a basic head count for the hour and then calculate out an 8-hour shift for each person to get the headcount our each hour and then assume across hours there are calls to get a daily.  Really when it comes down to it, customers just want an estimate of how many agents they need in 6 months or a year's time.  



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    Robert Wakefield-Carl
    ttec Digital
    Sr. Director - Innovation Architects
    Robert.WC@ttecdigital.com
    https://www.ttecDigital.com
    https://RobertWC.Blogspot.com
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  • 18.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 02-08-2024 03:26

    I would choose option 2 because it will be closer to reality.  I am curious to understand how a FTE will be defined in the capacity planner for different regions (US_C, LATAM, EMEA, APAC etc.,).

    Cheers!



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    Gurunandan Kashyap Jn
    Unisys Corporation
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  • 19.  RE: Capacity planning as an "add-on"

    Posted 02-09-2024 07:40

    We would add new configuration to define how many hours an FTE consists of as part of these new capabilities.



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    Rakesh Tailor
    Vice President, Product Management
    Workforce Engagement Management (WEM)
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