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  • 1.  Conflict preventing schedule publication

    Posted 01-31-2022 10:35
    Edited by James Weibel 01-31-2022 11:30
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    Hello. We utilize Genesys Purecloud and are running into the following issue. I have a 6 week set of published schedules. I go into the set and try to make a schedule adjustment for 2/10, but while I am doing that, somebody else makes a change for the same agent for 1/31. As soon as they publish, I lose the ability to publish my change.

    Is this working as intended?

    Extension to that example - if I am adding a meeting to 10 people for that day, and just one of them has a change published by someone else on a different day, I can no longer publish any of the changes I was making. 

    Thanks
    #Scheduling
    #Basic features and functionality

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    James Weibel
    M&T Bank
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  • 2.  RE: Conflict preventing schedule publication

    Posted 02-01-2022 03:56
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    We've came across the same issue. Following the post for updates.

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    Dorota Tual
    Utility Warehouse Limited
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  • 3.  RE: Conflict preventing schedule publication

    Posted 02-01-2022 06:26
    Edited by Jay Langsford 02-01-2022 06:26
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    Two schedule changes for the same agent across will result in the second person's attempt to publish failing with the conflict. Different agents in the same scenario will allow both people to publish their respective changes. The granularity of the conflict detection is at the agent level and not agent+day. A change to an agent on one day can be important for the second person to know about before they alter a different day (e.g., the second person's change might result in too much weekly or period pay time or days).

    You can mitigate to a large part by communicating as a scheduling team (Genesys Cloud chat with a specific room for the team) and avoid times between publishes (e.g., don't make 30+ minutes worth of edits and then publish) and thus narrow any potential conflict windows.



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    Jay Langsford
    VP, R&D
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  • 4.  RE: Conflict preventing schedule publication

    Posted 02-01-2022 11:44
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    Thanks Jay, I can understand the logic somewhat, but I think the problem is this: Let's say I add a meeting to 10 people, and one of them experiences a schedule change on another day by someone else, I get an error message that simply says a schedule has changed, but does not say whose schedule changed, so the only choice we are left with is to close without saving and start all over again.
    I would also say this is an argument for staying away from longer schedule sets as the chance of conflict will be very high.

    I'm pretty sure there is an enhancement/idea somewhere in here.

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    James Weibel
    M&T Bank
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  • 5.  RE: Conflict preventing schedule publication

    Posted 02-01-2022 17:32
    Edited by Jay Langsford 02-01-2022 17:33
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    There are probably many enhancements and ideas around this. I did a quick search in Ideas Lab, but did not find anything great. There are a couple that mention full on 'locking' of an agent's entire schedule when someone is editing them. I am not a fan of locks like that (e.g., Suzy Supervisor locks Bob's schedule while making edits, gets sick and leaves without unlocking) for several user experience reasons.

    I know others have asked for more information on the conflict (e.g., inform the user who made the modification that got in first and when it was made).

    Then there is also potentially reconsidering at what level the conflict granularity is with maybe some rules (e.g., allow a conflicting change to an agent's schedule if weekly paid time is not violated).

    And the grand idea of course would be Google Docs style completely concurrent editing. That of course comes with other challenges besides the engineering effort (e.g., two people editing the same day and agent and some overlapping activities - "hey, my changes just disappeared").

    Tagging @Paul Wood​ on the Product Management side. I know we always like feedback on possible enhancements.



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    Jay Langsford
    VP, R&D
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  • 6.  RE: Conflict preventing schedule publication

    Posted 02-02-2022 03:36
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    Hello,

    I have seen this before with other Schedule Management screens and agree it is problematic for schedule teams who have multiple schedulers working within the one planning period.

    One thing I have found in other solutions and not sure if there is an idea for this but having the ability to publish date ranges. 

    If there was an option to publish just the day(s) the scheduler is working on rather than the entire period each time this would alleviate somewhat the locking of changes.

    Has this been explored before within Genesys?

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    Regards,

    Gerard McGlynn
    WEM Consultant
    IP Integration Ltd
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  • 7.  RE: Conflict preventing schedule publication

    Posted 02-02-2022 05:01
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    thanks for the tag Jay.

    thanks for the feedback @James Weibel to help further with the conversation, and it sounds like you might have already done this, could I ask that you take a look at the Ideas lab and upvote, comment or create new ideas. 



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    Paul Wood
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 8.  RE: Conflict preventing schedule publication

    Posted 02-02-2022 10:55
    Edited by Paul Soulodre 02-02-2022 10:56
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    Hello all,

    We are also experiencing issues with scheduling updates and it is preventing buy-in from our business units in terms of using the full extent of WFM capabilities in Genesys. For example we have disparate groups of agents answering calls from the same queues. These groups should be combined as MUs under a single BU to create a complete picture of our workload and staffing capabilities. However, having these groups combined in one schedule introduces the potential for error as multiple supervisors may be making edits to the same schedule at any time. Our customer success manager has informed me of this idea which is in development:

    https://genesyscloud.ideas.aha.io/ideas/WEM-I-212

    I have enrolled in the Beta testing for this idea and my hope is that being able to teams within management units will come with permissions that limit schedule updates to specific teams within the Management/Business unit. By limiting edit access to specific teams and having an overall schedule administrator role to oversee the complete schedule we could allow team supervisors the necessary autonomy to update their employee's schedules while preventing them from inadvertently making changes to other agents. Is this conceivable given the description in this idea?

    Thanks




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    Paul Soulodre
    Alberta Motor Association
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  • 9.  RE: Conflict preventing schedule publication

    Posted 02-03-2022 07:18
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    When Teams are released, WFM will have several related enhancements. One of these is adding team as a selected condition on a limited set of WFM permissions. Two of these permissions are schedule edit and schedule view.

    E.g.,:

    Workforce Management > Schedule > Edit (e.g., Condition: Team = Alpha; Division = Div1)
    Workforce Management > Schedule > View (e.g., Condition: Team = Alpha; Division = Div1)



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    Jay Langsford
    VP, R&D
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