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  • 1.  Time Off Bypassing Time Off Limits - 0 Hours Paid Showing

    Posted 20 days ago

    Hello,

    I had messaged on a previous thread (Partial time off bypassing time off limits with 0 hours paid showing | Workforce Engagement Management).

    I didn't receive a reply and the thread has since been closed.
    My summary of the issue is that ;

    An agent can apply for a day they are not due to work and the time off request is auto accepted regardless of what the time off limits are as the value of their paid hours is 0. This is unnecessarily messy but not a major problem, the issue comes when a persons work plan changes and that same time off request is altered to paid time in accordance with their workplan. This time off request now has an agent that has paid time off that was not checked in accordance with the limits. 

    Please could you assist with what I should do here? I dont like having the system tell an agent they can take time off automatically regardless, I know I could deny it at the time of workplan change, but it is very messy and not a good journey for the agent.


    #TimeOff,AbsenceManagement

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    Sam Dawson
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  • 2.  RE: Time Off Bypassing Time Off Limits - 0 Hours Paid Showing

    Posted 13 days ago
    Edited by Mike Morris 13 days ago

    Hi @Sam Dawson

    To confirm in your Time-Off plan do you have the Approval Rules set to Auto Approval?


    I beliieve if it is set to Auto-Approval it will just update the system as it passes the time-off limit check. If you set this to Condtional Approval the requst are only approved if they fall within the configured time-off limits, but it also validates the agents scheduled hours and work plan. Requests outside of the agents shift should then be waitlisted or require manual review. 



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    Mike Morris
    Manager - BCD
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  • 3.  RE: Time Off Bypassing Time Off Limits - 0 Hours Paid Showing

    Posted 13 days ago

    Hello Mike,
    No not set to auto approve, currently set on conditional approval. The bypassing of the limits happens either inside or outside of a published schedule.



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    Sam Dawson
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  • 4.  RE: Time Off Bypassing Time Off Limits - 0 Hours Paid Showing

    Posted 13 days ago

    Hi @Sam Dawson

    I just replicated this on my side and have the same issue, this is very odd behaviour because it should check the work plan to check you work that day too but it appears to just be checking the time-off limits. I would suggest opening a Genesys Customer Care Ticket to highlight this issue because at a minimum it should prompt the user that you dont work that day (based on work plan) or put it into pending-review for manually approval. 

    Sorry I could not help, but looks like you have identified something that does need addressing. 



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    Mike Morris
    Manager - BCD
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  • 5.  RE: Time Off Bypassing Time Off Limits - 0 Hours Paid Showing

    Posted 12 days ago

    This is a valid concern, and I agree that the main issue is not the initial 0-hour request itself, but what happens later when the agent's work plan changes and the request becomes paid time off without being revalidated against the time-off limits.

    From an operational standpoint, I would expect the request to be rechecked when the underlying schedule/work plan changes and the request moves from 0 paid hours to paid time. Otherwise, the original auto-approval can bypass the staffing/time-off limits that would normally protect coverage.

    A few things I would look at or recommend:

    • Review whether your time-off plan or auto-approval rules allow requests on non-working days, and whether those should be limited or require manual review.
    • Consider disabling auto-approval for partial/non-working day requests if there is a risk that work plans frequently change afterward.
    • Build an operational review process for agents who have approved time off during future schedule/work plan changes.
    • Raise this with Genesys Support as a product behavior issue, because the system should ideally revalidate the request when paid hours are recalculated.
    • Submit or support an enhancement request for automatic revalidation when a previously unpaid time-off request becomes paid due to a work plan or schedule change.

    In my opinion, the cleanest solution would be for Genesys Cloud to either re-run the time-off limit validation when the work plan changes, or flag the request for supervisor review before it becomes paid time off. That would avoid the poor agent experience of having something approved and then later manually denied, while still protecting staffing requirements.



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    Jonathan Nolan
    President, Dunamis Consulting Inc (DCX)
    jonathan.nolan@getdunamis.com
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