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  • 1.  Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-27-2023 11:23
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    Last week, we got Agent Empathy scores in an API (sadly not in the UI), but when I run the API, all I get is this:

    "empathyScores": [ {} ],

    That is on EVERY single call or message I have reviewed.  I do have it enabled:

    Anyone know what this is looking for and what Topic might trigger it?


    #ConversationalAI(Bots,AgentAssist,etc.)
    #QualityManagement
    #Reporting/Analytics
    #Roadmap/NewFeatures

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    Robert Wakefield-Carl
    ttec Digital
    Sr. Director - Innovation Architects
    Robert.WC@ttecdigital.com
    https://www.ttecDigital.com
    https://RobertWC.Blogspot.com
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  • 2.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-29-2023 16:32
    Edited by Anton Vroon 10-29-2023 16:37
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    I've had the same results,

    Feels like a 1/4 released feature, no UI, API setup, but data not feeding through to it. 

    Documentation is also lacking, only page I could find is the understand agent empathy analysis page, which doesn't even mention the toggle in Speech and Text Analytics to enable it.

    Pretty disappointing.

    Edit: Using speechandtextanalytics/conversations/conversationid for reference to try to view

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    Anton Vroon
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  • 3.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-30-2023 04:46
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    I have found some entries in some conversations but without extracting a mass of data it's bit difficult to correlate. I would assume the Express Empathy Topic should have scores. Every one found has been 100 as opposed to Sentiment which is a long decimal. The UI is expected in December so that will help but don't know when this will be added to content search or aggregates.

      "empathyScores": [
        {
          "score": 100,
          "userId": "<ID>"
        }
      ],



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    Richard Chandler
    Connect
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  • 4.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-30-2023 12:10
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    Hi Richard,

    The formula that we are using to calculate agent empathy score is:
    Overall agent empathy score for an agent = 100 * (emp num - uab num) / N

    emp = empathetic responses

    uab = unempathetic / unhelpful behavior / agent apathy responses

    So if there is a total of 2 phrases detected by the engine containining either empathetic/unempathetic responses and both of them were empathetic, the score would be = 100 * (2-0)/2 = 100

    We will update the docs to include this.



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    Anik Dey
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 5.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-30-2023 14:16
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    That is not what sentiment score does.  It starts at 0 then moves the needle one way or the other to get the end score along with trending.  Your calculation would not allow for trending on the empathy score - is that not something that was considered?  Are you also saying that EVERY emp or uab is scored as 100 like the sentiment feedback phrases?  

    Don't you think that a beta would have been better?



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    Robert Wakefield-Carl
    ttec Digital
    Sr. Director - Innovation Architects
    Robert.WC@ttecdigital.com
    https://www.ttecDigital.com
    https://RobertWC.Blogspot.com
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  • 6.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-30-2023 14:49
    Edited by Anik Dey 10-30-2023 14:53
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    Let me give you another example, if there 5 unempathetic phrases in an interaction, and only 2 empathetic phrases, this is how the overall empathy is calculated:

    empathy score = 100 * (2 -5)/7 = -43

    The score will range from -100 to +100, like sentiment analysis. 



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    Anik Dey
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 7.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-30-2023 14:57
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    Not like Sentiment Analysis.   Let's assume your 5 and 2 example in this order  -100, -100, +100, -100, +100.  With your calculation, it would be the -43, but with Sentiment from what I know of it, you start at 0 then it would move to -100, and stay then back to 0 and back -100 then back to 0.  Which is it - based on time or average?  Again, how is trending going to come into play?  With Sentiment, not every utterance is -100 or +100 as well.

     



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    Robert Wakefield-Carl
    ttec Digital
    Sr. Director - Innovation Architects
    Robert.WC@ttecdigital.com
    https://www.ttecDigital.com
    https://RobertWC.Blogspot.com
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  • 8.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-30-2023 15:08
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    When I say 'like sentiment analysis', I am referring to the score ranging from -100 to +100. The underlying math to calculate overall empathy and overall sentiment is different. Sentiment considers the position of the phrases in the interaction, phrases towards the end of an interaction gets higher weight, this is outlined here - https://help.mypurecloud.com/faqs/how-is-the-customer-sentiment-score-calculated/

    It was designed this way because customers could enter the conversation very angry, and it would be unfair to rate phrases in the beginning of the call with the same weight as later in the call, if the customer ended the call being happy, that matters most.

    We didn't go with the same approach for agent empathy, because position of the phrase shouldn't play a part in agent empathy. If the agent was unhelpful in the beginning or the end of the call, it is still unhelpful behavior, and they should not be treated differently. Therefore, we didn't consider trends for agent empathy score.



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    Anik Dey
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 9.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-30-2023 11:42
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    Hi Anton,

    This is unexpected, would it be okay to open a CARE ticket and provide some interaction Ids with the case? We will investigate them on our end and provide a resolution. A more comprehensive documentation with examples and UI screenshots will be added shortly when the Agent Empathy UI is released. 



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    Anik Dey
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 10.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-30-2023 18:00
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    Hi Anik,

    We need better documentation for these API only releases. I don't mind a feature coming out early as an API only (though maybe that is better as a Beta or in the Developer Forum, or under a separate release heading), as long as the release notes are clear that it is API only, which API to use, what to expect, how it works etc otherwise we the community have to blindly figure it out ourselves resulting in confusion and frustration for ourselves, our businesses, and our customers.



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    Anton Vroon
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  • 11.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-30-2023 21:41
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    Hi Anton,

    If you go back to the release notes on Oct 18th, it clearly mentions it's a API only release. We also posted on the community that same day with an example of the API request to get empathy agent results - https://community.genesys.com/discussion/agent-empathy-analysis-api-for-english-to-identify-areas-for-improvement-in-agent-training

    We don't usually include API request examples in resource center docs, but we will definitely add more examples and link the API developer center page. 



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    Anik Dey
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 12.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-30-2023 22:22
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    Hi Anik,

    I said it wasn't clear, as Robert mentioned as well people especially everyday customers were confused and think it is fully available outside of the API. I am just asking for it to be clearer, or not to be in the general release notes.

    Considering I am very active in the community and missed it, I can only imagine those less active would have had not chance, and we shouldn't need to go hunting around for information on new releases, that information should be contained entirely in the release note and documentation that comes with it. 



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    Anton Vroon
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  • 13.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-31-2023 09:10
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    Hi Anton,

    The agent empathy feature is linked to the Idea that got 28 votes from several customers, and customers do follow the Idea to keep track of the feature. We posted on the idea itself that this is going to be a API only release - https://genesyscloud.ideas.aha.io/ideas/WEM-I-198

    We will work with the documentation team to make it even clearer, keep you posted.



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    Anik Dey
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 14.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 11-01-2023 13:03
    Edited by Anik Dey 11-01-2023 13:04
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    Hi Anton, Robert,

    The doc has been updated:

    https://help.mypurecloud.com/articles/understand-agent-empathy-analysis/

    Please take a look, and let me know if you have any additional feedback. It should be clear that this is a API only release, and we have linked the specific APIs to the docs.



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    Anik Dey
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 15.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 11-01-2023 18:27
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    Thank you.  I still feel strongly that API-only "features" do not belong in the Release Notes but should live in the Developer Center.  It is great that you want to get the word out, but when you have a roadmap that shows a UI with Agent Empathy and your Pre-announcement says that you will have Agent Empathy but on Release Wednesday, it is merely an API it is like promising your son a car for his birthday and you get him a model of a Porche that he can assemble.  



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    Robert Wakefield-Carl
    ttec Digital
    Sr. Director - Innovation Architects
    Robert.WC@ttecdigital.com
    https://www.ttecDigital.com
    https://RobertWC.Blogspot.com
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  • 16.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 11-01-2023 18:35
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    Hi Anik,

    Thank you, do appreciate the updated document, much more helpful.

    Second Robert's concern around API-only features being in the Release Notes as they currently do.

    For me Dev Centre, or in the Beta forum, or if it is going to go under release notes then under a different heading/category, just to completely separate them out, with a standing blurb making clear what its being delivered and what is coming later, ideally with a link to the Ideas page.



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    Anton Vroon
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  • 17.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-30-2023 11:39
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    Hi Robert,

    Not sure why you're not seeing any agent empathy scores for all your interactions. This is unexpected. Would it be okay to create a CARE ticket? And provide some interaction Ids with your case. We will investigate on our end.



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    Anik Dey
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 18.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-30-2023 12:08
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    I found 1 in 50 that I looked at.  There needs to be a better way of searching in the API.  When are getting UI?  This API is pretty useless as is without external BI tool.  I was going to use a trigger and populate Gamification,  but with so few calls it seemed worthless.  Also, we need better documentation around what exactly it is looking for aside from agent being nice to customer.



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    Robert Wakefield-Carl
    ttec Digital
    Sr. Director - Innovation Architects
    Robert.WC@ttecdigital.com
    https://www.ttecDigital.com
    https://RobertWC.Blogspot.comRobert Wakefield-Carl
    ttec Digital
    Sr. Director - Innovation Architects
    Robert.WC@ttecdigital.com
    https://www.ttecDigital.com
    https://RobertWC.Blogspot.com
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  • 19.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-30-2023 14:03
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    Hi Robert,

    Agent empathy scores will be added to Content Search along with the UI in early Q1, 2024. 

    What was the phrase that was detected as empathetic in the 1 interaction? Do you have similar phrases in the other 49 interactions?

    Here are some examples:

    The following phrases were labelled by the model as empathetic:

    • I can completely understand why are so upset, I assure you quickest resolution to the problem. 
    • You're a valuable customer to us and your frustration is completely valid. it should not have happened that way. 
    • I'm sorry to hear that let me fix that for you

    The following phrases were labelled by the model as unhelpful/unempathetic:

    • i won't help you, just shut up and go to hell 
    • I can't help you
    • You're lying


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    Anik Dey
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 20.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-30-2023 14:11
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    This is just one more of those "feature releases" that cause us so much trouble with our customers trying to explain it is not a feature, but and API, and we don't have ANY visibility to what it is looking for.  My suggestion was to create some topics that match the empathy phrases and of course, I have nothing to provide them those.  It would be really useful to have the API at least list the phrases that were matched for each score like sentiment does.  

    Really, what I would like to see is for Product Management to stop announcing APIs as features, especially with almost no documentation of how this works and what the API will provide.  Customers see it in the Release Notes and expect to see it in the UI.  I would prefer to have this announced in the Developer Site and not release notes.  I have had to talk to no less than 8 customers since last Wednesday explaining where they CAN'T find this Feature.



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    Robert Wakefield-Carl
    ttec Digital
    Sr. Director - Innovation Architects
    Robert.WC@ttecdigital.com
    https://www.ttecDigital.com
    https://RobertWC.Blogspot.com
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  • 21.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-30-2023 14:57
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    I understand your frustration with API only features, and we have heard the feedback, and will improve our process for API only releases. In the meantime, I will enrich the docs with additional examples that will give further insights into how the AI model classifies phrases as empathetic and unhelpful behavior.



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    Anik Dey
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 22.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-30-2023 16:56
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    So, there is no value in seeing Empathy directly related to sentiment - customer escalates, agent empathy increases, customer sentiment goes down.  That would be much better than just an average.



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    Robert Wakefield-Carl
    ttec Digital
    Sr. Director - Innovation Architects
    Robert.WC@ttecdigital.com
    https://www.ttecDigital.com
    https://RobertWC.Blogspot.com
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  • 23.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-31-2023 04:56
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    Hi Anik, why isn't agent empathy designed like a topic? You can then provide a fixed or custom formula to calculate the empathy score but customers shoudl have the flexibility to define and adjust the phrases that translate empathy or lack of it. Sometimes some sarcastic responses should count against. Every business works differently and should be able to adjust the defintition of empathy. Treating it like a topic allows quicker support for other languages as well. IN general and beyond the marketing aspect of "now we support Agent Empathy", we'd like to see the capability to set scores by topic like what we can do through gamification by adding customer satisfaction (topic) and adding it to leaderboards and score cards. This translates into having for example up to 3 custom metrics (empathy being one) that customers can define for each conversation based on a customizable topic and a customizable formula.



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    Hichem Agrebi
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  • 24.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-31-2023 09:15
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    Hi Hichem, we do have an out-of-the-box topic called 'Express Empathy' with 128 phrases that you can further customize to your liking. This release is in addition to that.



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    Anik Dey
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 25.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-31-2023 09:30
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    Thanks Anik, the follow up request would be to get the option to add a number of topic score to the conversation to use it in reporting at conversation details as well as aggreate level. 



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    Hichem Agrebi
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  • 26.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-31-2023 09:58
    Edited by Robert Wakefield-Carl 10-31-2023 09:58
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    I have asked for this from the first day that topics came out. Here is one idea:  Allow evaluation to be auto-scored by | Genesys Cloud Ideas Portal (aha.io).  You can do this now, kind of, using Gamification with topics.  See this:  Turning Quality Management to 100% | Robert Wakefield-Carl Blog (robertwc.blogspot.com)



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    Robert Wakefield-Carl
    ttec Digital
    Sr. Director - Innovation Architects
    Robert.WC@ttecdigital.com
    https://www.ttecDigital.com
    https://RobertWC.Blogspot.com
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  • 27.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-31-2023 09:54
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    This is for topic spotting, but that is not the phrase library used or Agent Empathy is it?  I would assume it is a black box and you would allow something like sentiment feedback to adjust.  I can see where colloquialisms would be a problem like the way Brits say something different than an Ausi and us English-illiterate Americans.   Just think of the phrase like "that is totally jacked" or "that is the bomb".  How are they taken in as Empathy? 



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    Robert Wakefield-Carl
    ttec Digital
    Sr. Director - Innovation Architects
    Robert.WC@ttecdigital.com
    https://www.ttecDigital.com
    https://RobertWC.Blogspot.com
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  • 28.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 10-31-2023 10:39
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    We did use all the phrases in 'Express Empathy' topic as part of our training data but also many more. Yes, the agent empathy module is an AI trained model like sentiment analysis. Yes, we are considering adding 'Empathy Feedback' to the product in the future to address business/region specific needs. At this current stage, we are evaluating via customer feedback where the model is struggling and where the model is excelling. 



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    Anik Dey
    Genesys - Employees
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  • 29.  RE: Where is the Agent Empathy?

    Posted 11-08-2023 13:01
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    Hi Robert,

    Empathy scores will be added to Content Search soon along with the UI component. In terms of the one interaction that had an empathy score, what was the phrase that was detected as empathetic? Do you have similar phrases in the remaining 49 interactions?

    Here are some examples:

    The following phrases were labelled by the model as empathetic:

    • I can completely understand why are so upset, I assure you quickest resolution to the problem. 
    • You're a valuable customer to us and your frustration is completely valid. it should not have happened that way. 
    • I'm sorry to hear that let me fix that for you

    The following phrases were labelled by the model as unhelpful/unempathetic:

    • i won't help you, just shut up and go to hell 
    • I can't help you
    • You're lying


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    Anik Dey
    Genesys - Employees
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